Veigar Kit Rework - Skill Shot Double Farm and Stun Nerf!
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My boi
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What skin is dat
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they should buff his W because it feels useless now.
either increase the area of effect or make it have a better synergy with E-event horizon.
maybe a good idea would be that if you use E to trap someone regardless where you place your W inside the cage it will hit. damage depends on how far you placed it with maybe some extra effect if you throw it perfectly.
or maybe a Q buff that if you throw it at the cage it'll split up in 2 or 3 objects that act like a Q. it could be used to farm more efficient. but it'll leave you vulnerable for the time your cage is on cooldown.
or maybe make it so you can adjust your W landing point for a small amount of time
i know that some of these idea's could be gamebreakers but they're just ideas
it's just that even if you trap the enemy team it's not clear what to do next. usually champions have a certain logic in their skillset. veigar's logic used to be stun w q and ult (if needed/overkill). now veigar's logic feels like E (hoping someone get's stunned) and if nobody's stunned throw w to where the people are and same with q -> probably miss both and then use R as a last resort. -
I've been saying for the longest time now.
Veigar's E is a ranged, non-damaging J4 ulti that lasts 5 seconds and that stuns you for 3 seconds if you touch the edge. Regardless of WHEN you touched the edge.
That means if I'm in the cage and after 4.5 seconds, I accidentally touch the edge at the last second on my way out, I still get stunned for the full 3 seconds. (EVEN though the cage disappeared.)
That's like 7 seconds worth of immobilization!
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Like Lux's Q pawnce. Lux's Q!!
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The Q hitting two minions is not nearly as effective at farming minions as you make it seem to be. One shotting minions with Q when you have over 1k AP is easy yes. However, during the laning phase, I found it to almost be useless. It did worse, hitting an extra minion behind my target with larger health pool to be more damaging than good.
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veigar is a absolute joke now. literally everytime i see his stun charging im like laughing: hahaha poor veigar you think you can stun me with that? well not gonna happen sorry. Then the stun apears and i walk away.
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Ah yes. Let's make things easier for Kalista by turning more targetted skills into skillshots. GGRiot
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E is now delayed? Good...now veigar can't E,W,Q,R me and kill me instantly while I'm split pushing.
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They destroyed him, no one will play Veigar, anymore. Especially in high elo, so many counter-players against him, with high mobilities, his stun is useless, by any means. Is now too hard to stun someone, because they have enough time and will get away, even if not, they will stay on the cycle and keep fighting you, you should stun them in perimeter, which is too rare, stun appears 0.75 seconds after, no one is an idiot to get trapped like that. This nerf completely destroyed him, more than ever.. You'll see dear Riot, things will turn against you, guys..
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I hate this new veigar event horizon change it sucks, I before the nerf was able to land an instant stun using veigar. But now I cant even stun anyone, on top of that veigar has no escape so that stun really matter allot. I was against a kat and every time she could just jump outside my event horizon and kill me. I think they should change the delay to 0.3 seconds
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I main Heimerdinger on mid, and Veigar is one of the few champions that are hard to beat. He simply 1 shots my turrets with his W, he's hard to stun and R+W, because he has a better stun, and he can literally 1 shot you with his combos, even in the early stages of the game. He's in my top 3 hardest counters for Heimer, the first being Mordekai, which is also the only champion that I have lost a lane against to, while playing the Dinger.
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I've done a video on his new rework and showed what you should probably build on this champion and lvl skill order too, please check it out :) ALSO DOING 9K RP GIVEAWAY AT 100 SUBS
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you are essential taking a champion who has no mobility and already had a weak early game, and making it worse by making him more vulnerable and prone to ganks due to his delay on e
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they should make q a targeted ability again, it would make it easier to hit, but the double q is a huge buff to damage if he can hit two people at once,
the stun is totally fine, and people who know how to play the game really well will probably end up using it just as well, if not better than the instant cast.
Although, they could nerf the duration of the Original stun just a bit, but at the same length at every level, but decrease the cast time of it as you level up the stun, meaning it will e a bit harder to land in lane, and a shorter duration stun by late :D
Edit: im sitting here reading comments and all i see is "WITHOUT STUN VIEGER W IS IMPOSSIBLE TO HIT" people...he still has a stun..its just a bit harder to land correctly, complain about how its harder to land, not that fact that he no longer has a stun, its not like they made his e a slow -
LOOOL he always kills miss fortune
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"With the current version of Event Horizon, the optimal use is for the Veigar player to place his Event Horizon such that it immediately stuns his opponent. This leads to the ability feeling like a particularly awkward skill shot with ALMOST no dodgability provided to the opponent ONCE the Veigar player masters aiming it. " from the link. So riot wanna separate the newbies to the masters and (now) to the master of masters? What Next? 2 Second channeling to this roundy thing to start appearing?
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So now his laning phase gets worse? Interesting. Yet they buffed his mid game which doesn't need a buff at all so I don't get it....
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There is really someone trying to argue that this is a fucking buff? I was (at season3) at top world 5 veigar ranking, which means shit, but one thing I can assure to you all: Riot just killed another champion: Veigar doesn't have mobility nor any escape, his stun (which already had 0.5s of cast delay, which, it still in effect) was his only way to escape or even combo someone. The stun is only on the fucking borders, it's not an automatic stun, some people say "hur dur, but with a professional with dat old E,veigar could stun everytime", my reply "Almost every fucking skill in this game, when mastered, it can fuck up an entire game", veigar didn't need a nerf, he was already pretty much useless in the current meta, he didn't have a viable phase lane, he couln't harass (we're talking of the most mana hungry champion of the game!) anyone, his range was somewhat short (except the E and, even so, Syndra, Orianna and almost every other mage outranged veigar) and, most important of all: he didn't have mobility or escape which, now in the new league of mobility, it's all that matter.
With these changes, his kit is just one of the worst I ever seen, his W is almost useless, totally dependable of a blind enemy or CC from your own team, his E is now useless (well now, besides talon, Lissandra, Zed, Fizz, Kassadin, Olaf, Lulu and other several mages with longer ranges, everyone else now can simply kill that midget bastard without worrying much).
His E wasn't toxic, there are several other skills on this game which is far more "antifun" (such phallacy to justify a butchering) than this stun, hell, his win rate was low even in higher elos, for one fucking reason: even proplayers with veigar could easily suffer from its counters, which were many and, now, it's almost everyone except for that crabzombie champion. -
"So, we basically have a unpopular champ with a 46% winrate, which is not played in the LCS at all. Also, the assassin meta is a bloody butthurt to the champ."
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"Hey, let's just nerf him"
Rip Veigar
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